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Posted: Nov 30 2010, 04:13 PM
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Is it worth it? What flow should there be over the mud?
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Posted: Nov 30 2010, 04:29 PM
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I used Mineral Mud as its half the price for basicly the same stuff......
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Posted: Dec 10 2010, 08:30 PM
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I used it in my refugium. It`s covered by sand. I personally would not use it again. I dont see any benefit to it.
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  Posted: Dec 13 2010, 01:37 PM
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Okay . . . I give up! laugh.gif lmao.gif



Would someone please educate a "non-salty" as to what Miracle Mud is?


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Posted: Dec 21 2010, 04:01 PM
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Rick, how about putting this one in the new "Glossary" forum? biggrin.gif
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Posted: Dec 21 2010, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (Neon Man @ Dec 21 2010, 04:01 PM)
Rick, how about putting this one in the new "Glossary" forum? biggrin.gif

Yeah mate, It will end up in there unless someone else beats me to it thumbup.gif
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Posted: Jan 15 2011, 02:43 PM
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I'm a salty and never heard of it ohmy.gif Dont feel bad Joe.
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Posted: Jul 10 2011, 01:48 PM
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*BUMP* biggrin.gif



OK . . . I can't stand it any longer! laugh.gif


Is Miracle Mud some kind of "live sand", then?


I am really curious.

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For me, if your a serious reefkeeper, you should research this product/concept.

http://www.ecosystemaquarium.com/products/...ud/miracle-mud/

At the moment, the miracle mud idea has a divided opinion. I myself am using a similar method using caribsea's version.

The idea is that this has higher bioload capacity whilst at the same time slowly releasing natural minerals etc that corals and fish need...essentially reducing the requirement of water changes.

But, I think there is more to this than meets the eye. I'm a firm believer that we should keep our reef tanks as natural as possible. There are so many things we don't understand, and the biggest one for me is water.
Ive seen research that a company in France is doing around the world. They take samples of seawater from various places around the world and study it under a microscope. The are literally discovering many new species every day.

Which I think begs the question..... should we be removing the water from our tanks? .... should we be using a skimmer that essentially would remove these little critters?

But also, the miracle mud way says that you shouldn't use a skimmer and ultimately could be part of the reason why this technique is successful.

Those are my personal thoughts, and really don't have evidence to back that up, which is why the method is still heavily debated.

I just think that we don't fully understand what is in our water, and really, any time we have a problem, the water in one form or another, is the cause of most problems eg, ph, salinity, kh, nitrates etc...


That's my thoughts.

As for using it, low/medium flow is best, have algae growing out of it, and also ensure you have a good selection of inverts that will move the substrate (very important! This is how nutrients etc are released to replenish the water).

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Posted: Mar 23 2014, 07:05 PM
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Must admit, I never persued the miracle mud route, and have stuck with the Deep sand bed filter in the cabinet underneath.

Good point about the skimmer and removing critters. I have thought about this before, but do still run the skimmer. I'll need to look into this again.
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Posted: Mar 25 2014, 09:42 AM
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I think the MM method with cheato is the best method and I used it with a TUNZE 9011 skimmer that is "gentle" with the skimming,don't strip everything out,and everything just looks more "alive".I now use a 4" DSB that works OK but it's not as good and natural as the Mud IME......
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Posted: Mar 26 2014, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (superdart @ Mar 25 2014, 09:42 AM)
TUNZE 9011 skimmer that is "gentle" with the skimming,don't strip everything out

That intrigues me, do you have any other info on how "gentle" skimmers work, is it a design thing or just how much air goes in?
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Posted: Mar 27 2014, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE (Rick.Clark @ Mar 26 2014, 11:25 PM)
QUOTE (superdart @ Mar 25 2014, 09:42 AM)
TUNZE 9011 skimmer that is "gentle" with the skimming,don't strip everything out

That intrigues me, do you have any other info on how "gentle" skimmers work, is it a design thing or just how much air goes in?

Have a look on the TUNZE site and it explain's it.You can adjust the water flow through the skimmer and also the amount of air so you find a nice balance....I have the 9011 and a 9016 running and they work well when set up to do what you want them to...... thumbsup.gif
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Posted: Mar 27 2014, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (superdart @ Mar 27 2014, 10:09 AM)
QUOTE (Rick.Clark @ Mar 26 2014, 11:25 PM)
QUOTE (superdart @ Mar 25 2014, 09:42 AM)
TUNZE 9011 skimmer that is "gentle" with the skimming,don't strip everything out

That intrigues me, do you have any other info on how "gentle" skimmers work, is it a design thing or just how much air goes in?

Have a look on the TUNZE site and it explain's it.You can adjust the water flow through the skimmer and also the amount of air so you find a nice balance....I have the 9011 and a 9016 running and they work well when set up to do what you want them to...... thumbsup.gif

ok, cool, I'll take a look qcool.gif
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